[Cryptography] The role of the IETF in security of the Internet: for or against the NSA? for or against the security of users of the net?

[Phillip Hallam-Baker]

On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
>
>> There is really no problem with a trusted proxy, the question is
>> whether the proxy is trustworthy or not. Consider the following
>> possibilities:
>
> At the risk of getting my head bitten off for stating the obvious, it
> might be worth demonstrating the difference between a trustworthy system
> and a trusted system rather more succintly:
>
> A trustworthy system is one that you *can* trust; a trusted system is one
> that you *have* to trust.

Yes, a distinction that got me kicked to the kerb when I raised it in
a very early Trusted Computing Group meeting.

Only folk to see it my way were Microsoft and they were accused ever
after of doing marketechture using the right terminology.