[Cryptography] Can we move this list to an online forum please?

[Tom Mitchell]

One interesting move might be a move to a media and mechanism
that has improved security without increased complexity or needing
inconvenient
and incompatible tools.

Forums to date are not an improvement. over  mail at this time
for the content and discussions I care about. (small experience list..)

But within a week we will have  a new year so who knows.
Any change should solve a problem ... and not generate new
ones that are intolerable.

.


On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Lodewijk andré de la porte <l at odewijk.nl>wrote:

> But then some people have to move away from mut!
>
> It's also not actually superior. What do you really gain? Hard to archive.
> No more transparant to browse. More susceptible to a lot of things.
>
> Ultimately the premise is the same:
>
> Medium = [Subject]
> Subject = (String, [Email])
> Email = (Headers, String)
>
> The only arguable difference is in catagorization. It's like a single tag
> is added to every subject. Usually called the 'category'. People always
> miscatagorize and this list is supposed to be pretty much a single category
> ("cryptography").
>
> If there's really a need for tags we can prepend them to our subject
> lines. "[pol]" or "[tech]" are the mayor mayor differences. We can also put
> intent into them, but that would require more thought of notation. Stuff
> like "publish" or "Request For Comments" or "Discuss" or "news" would be
> interesting tags.
>
> In the end the ability of present forums to organize discussion is
> dissapointing to the potential. Additionally the workflow of present forums
> is far inferior to mailing lists.
>
>
> Worst of all is reputation systems inherent in forums. Reputation is not
> earned through any one objective measure, especially a non personalizable
> one. All systems attempt to approximate, and often fail.
>
> To me the answer is: rather not.
>
> Pro:
>  * Potential for more advanced discussions (metadata)
>  * Sometimes easier to manage large volumes or content or users (community
> management)
>  * Doesn't distract as much as e-mail (more self-contained)
>  * More personalizable profiles (username, signature, profile picture,
> bio/contact info)
>  * (Maybe) easier to do psuedononymously
>
> Con:
>  * Not embedded in standards. (subject to strange change)
>  * No to very very little archivability (will dissapear, with content,
> more easily)
>  * Does not fit existing workflow that works through e-mail (Less
> usual/habitual)
>  * Far from client native user interface; E-mail sees better support than
> "the web", because it's simpler. (Lowered usability)
>  * Increased hassle will likely decrease users. The forums don't end up in
> your inbox, so to speak. E-mail aggregates into your mail-client, forums
> are spread thin accross countless pages. (Additional effort, not just a
> habitual argument.)
>
> Note that Spam and Espionage are still equally large problems in forum
> software.
>
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