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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29/03/2025 02:36, Roland Ionas
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<p>iang via cryptography schrieb am 28.03.2025 05:33 (GMT +01:00):</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/03/2025 02:45, Anthony Martin
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">Ray Dillinger <a
href="mailto:bear@sonic.net" target="_blank"
rel="nofollow noopener" moz-do-not-send="true"><bear@sonic.net></a> once said:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">colossal screwup
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number of fundamental mistakes
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">Where's the evidence this was a mistake? Smells more like a limited
hangout to me. The people involved want everyone to know they have no
problem using the Zionist tactic of destroying entire buildings full
of civilians to target one guy. They also want everyone to think the
terror bombings against Yemen are done to protect, so called, "freedom
of navigation" when all signs point to preparations for war against
Iran.</pre>
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<p>Conspiracy theories are fun, but occam's razor says this was
a mistake. Bear in mind these guys aren't really capable of
carrying out such an exotic deception plan without everyone in
DC gossiping about how smart they are, and without chat
including some obvious tells.<br>
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<p>For the others trying to interpret, this above para was mine.
Below is response by Roland.<br>
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FATE - Focus Authority Tribe Emotion<br>
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How do you now the easiest explaination, when you are not able
to perceive the easiest explaination, Sir? Through a extreme
amount of "noise" - selling another esiest explaination.<br>
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<p>iang again: The easiest explanation is what it looks like. What
JG claimed it to be, in the article. All other explanations are by
definition more complicated because in those explanations, JG was
tricked (you would say manipulated) at a minimum.<br>
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<p>Then, notwithstanding your interesting description of how these
deception ops can be done, I'm not saying that they can't be done.
Ofc they can, and people with three letters try them all the time.
Sometimes even successfully.<br>
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<p>What I am saying is - not this time. That's because (a) it's the
easiest explanation, and (b) those guys aren't capable of pulling
off the exotic deception op that people would like to imagine.</p>
<p>They're a bunch of extremely high level managers who don't have
the training, don't have the time, and don't have the environment
to pull off the exotic conspiracy theory that people want to
fetishise on. This is the elephant in the room - those guys? No.<br>
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<p>And, to be entirely clear - I'm not saying there wasn't a
deception operation going on. I'm saying those guys in the signal
group didn't manage it, nor likely did they know about it.<br>
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<p>In all likelihood there was a deception operation going on - in
that, the whole affair, being the bombing of the Houthis, was
performative. It was all done as part of a wider plan. The point
wasn't the stated headline point (whatever it was, "destroy the
houthis this time, open the seas" whatever), the point was that
the bombing exercise was a minor scene in one act of a larger
play, which scene leads to and permits the next scene. But that's
taking us way adrift of cryptography and into geopolitics of the
Middle East.<br>
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<p>iang</p>
<p>ps: leaving the rest of your explanation bc interesting and worth
reading.<br>
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<p>You said conspiracy theories are fun [to be entertained
with], but a lot of them are true. I do know the Celler Loch
(Celler Hole). Occam's Razor was wrong there, and the exotic
plan made a lot of peoples life worse. When your stuff is
wrong, why do I want to use it?<br>
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Celler Hole was two or three people knew everything. And they
activated ~10 people with a function, just knowing a tiny bit
of the action. (To have an exercise to blow a hole in a wall
in a unknown place.) And afterwards they were isolated from
media coverage by another nerve-wrecking mission. Every
actions afterwards with the hole were take by functionarys,
automatic, by not knowing about anything.<br>
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Here is a good point for your research: How do you want
protect people by undermining their privacy by using pricacy
techniques by deceptionists? And please, gossip is noise. A
common intelligence practise is to spread gossips and false
facts, when one true fact is revealed? When your adress is
online and you do not want that, you just put a million fake
addresses of you online. And when the easiest explaination is
public you just spread another easy explaination a million
times by functionarys.<br>
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This is shifting FOCUS by spamming you with hard noise of
another easiest expaination. A million time.<br>
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And you are doing it with AUTHORITY: Yes, maybe we kill our TV
sets, but who are we trusting. And who is intelligence looking
for to pay? I think I am a weird bum, and you do not trust me.
But I guess you trust the person who brought up the mistake
stuff to you.<br>
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TRIBE is another marker of deception. Do you want to be the
wild bum or the intelligent tech guy asked for respected
interviews? Your run to your razor is a good example for
tribal behaviour. <br>
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And you do not want that the exposed stupidity is not touching
your EMOTIONS?<br>
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I did not make the 4 letters up. It is from a company with 3
letters.<br>
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We can put the Celler Hole behind us. Do you know how a soccer
game story is produced? One producer is the director calling a
spot. Everything else and everyone is following as a logical
function. When the director is instructed to push player XYZ
he is giving him more camera time in a higher proportion in
the game. Player XYZ has a cramp, the camera is sticked to him
and makes him the lamb of god. And next to him - in the game -
6 players had harder cramps, longer, with less tears. But we
all do just see and remember player XYZ.<br>
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In my work I was learning how to make money out of nothing.
Mostly my business is getting money for entertainment
services. Betting is a entertaining subject. And you can make
money by manipulation. F.E. by faking boxing fights. But one
problem is, you can't communicate your manipulation open.
Because your communication is controlled and the business is
highly watched by regulators. So what manipulating promoters
do, in a 7 fight event, they put a non-televised missmatch
first. A fat guy (called "Fallobst") in one corner and a
trained guy in the other corner. You can't bet on that fight.
The fat guy is losing, because he is fat. Then you have 6
following fights. Just the last two are televised and you can
just bet on the final fight. So every boxer brought to the fat
guys corner is knowing he is getting a bonus payment and had
to lay down. I saw those shows, and in another legal context I
organized those shows. And in a more easier form it is just a
relation between the Fallobst-fight and the final fight you
can bet on. And there is no communication. Just the
positioning in the corner. And just a few chosen better can
make it out. Without communicated to them by speech and
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<p>You can learn that behaviour in special schools. But first it
is all about trust, creating by time and sinking in the swamp
of corruption.<br>
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What the thing (the thing with the signal chat) was about, I
do not know.<br>
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But sometimes there are well known patterns - like teasing
spots, preperation spots and signature spots. And of course
there are indicators for deception/manipulation like the FATE
indicators.<br>
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Teading: <br>
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A-B-C-4(f)-radom-A-B-C-4(f)-random-A-B-C-4(f)-random-A-B-C-4(t)<br>
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Teasing with preperation: <br>
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A-B-C-@-4(f)-radom-A-B-C-@-4(f)-random-A-B-C-@-4(f)-random-A-B-C-@-4(t)
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I hope it is not so much offtopic!<br>
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Have fun!<br>
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Roland Ionas Bialke<br>
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