<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 5:39 PM John Levine <<a href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com">johnl@iecc.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">It appears that Sebastian Stache via cryptography <<a href="mailto:zeb@qtt.se" target="_blank">zeb@qtt.se</a>> said:<br>
>But I do think there is explicit Bitcoin legislation in the EU, the <br>
>United States, China, Canada, Japan, Australia, Singapore, South Korea, <br>
>India and Brazil. The UK regards crypto currency as property. El <br>
>Salvador and CAR both have adopted Bitcoin as a national currency. An <br>
>uncomprehensive list and possibly partly erroneous.<br>
<br>
I suppose you might be right about El Salvador and the CAR. I do know<br>
that the El Salvado Volcano Bonds that were supposed to invest in<br>
Bitcoin and somehow at the same time fund a non-existent Bitcoin City<br>
didn't sell.<br>
<br>
The CAR barely has a government so who knows.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">You asked for citations?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><a href="https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/why-bitcoin-failed-in-car">https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/why-bitcoin-failed-in-car</a><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">The CAR deal followed a very familiar coinwashing approach: Bunch of coin scammers move in, bribe officials to adopt their scheme, government commits to BitCoin technology, glitzy launch followed by utter failure.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">The backstory here is Wagner Group and Russia:</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><a href="https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/wagner-troops-arrive-central-african-republic-ahead-referendum-2023-07-17/">https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/wagner-troops-arrive-central-african-republic-ahead-referendum-2023-07-17/</a><br></div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">The real point of making BitCoin legal tender was so that the Wagner terrorist mercenary group could launder the proceeds of ransomware attacks into conflict diamonds from the dictator's mines.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">So like Pat Robertson's infamous 'operation blessing' in which US evangelicals donated money for medicine and 'missionary work' which Robertson use to hire mercenaries and helicopters to seize diamond mines, this shabby little scheme is just a Russian version of the same. </div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.thedailybeast.com/mission-congo-alleges-pat-robertson-exploited-post-genocide-rwandans-for-diamonds">https://www.thedailybeast.com/mission-congo-alleges-pat-robertson-exploited-post-genocide-rwandans-for-diamonds</a></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Prigozhin was heavily linked to the St Petersburg cyber-mafia being one of the go-betweens who provided protection from police. His involvement in bank fraud, ransomware and the rest predated his involvement in Wagner. Connecting up his cyber-crime operations and his mercenary operations was an obvious move and a way to put lots and lots and lots of money in his pocket.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">So when people bring up CAR, it is not a demonstration of BitCoin doing anything good, it is yet more proof of the fact that pseudo-currencies need to be criminalized. Infrastructure whose main purpose is to bypass financial regulations designed to stop terrorism and crime should incur the same penalties as the crimes it enables.</div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I follow this topic fairly closely and I have never seen any Bitcoin<br>
legislation in Europe or North America. Once again, citations rather<br>
than hand waving would be appreciated. I'm aware of some court cases<br>
that have treated Bitcoin as property, but that's just applying<br>
existing law, nothing special there.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Well legislation may in fact be coming but certainly not the sort of legislation the chap is hoping for, quite the reverse.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">The Hamas/Quds force attack in Israel may spur action here. The backstory there being Quds force is in a similar position to Wagner and looking at the possibilities of moving into the vacuum left by Putin's murder of Prigozhin. The aftermath of the hostilities will inevitably create opportunities for Quds to recruit Palestinian refugees for its to be formed foreign mercenary wing.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>