[Cryptography] AES GCM insecure vs OCB1/OCB3 ??

Christian Huitema huitema at huitema.net
Sun Feb 14 22:51:14 EST 2021

On 2/14/2021 7:43 PM, jrzx wrote:
> On Sunday, February 14, 2021 5:10 PM, Christian Huitema<huitema at huitema.net>  wrote:
>> I see AES-GSM (and ChaCha20-Poly1035) as the
>> two options used to secure QUIC packets. The common knowledge
>> is that.
>> this is fine as long as a three conditions hold: a different
>> Nonce is used for each packet, which in QUIC is done by
>> XORing a secret-dependent IV with the 64 bit packet
>> sequence number;
>> the amount of data encrypted
>> with the same key is limited, which in QUIC is done by
>> forcing a key rotation after 2^26  packets for AES-GCM;
> Why?
> Please explain
> ChaCha20 is equivalent to a well known to everyone or easily calculated stream of random bits 2^393  bits or so long, after which it repeats.
> The shared secret is the position in this stream, the common practice being that the high order 256 bits are the shared secret, the middle sixty four bits are the nonce, and the last sixty four bits of the position are your packet's position.
> So you should not need to change your nonce until you are approaching 2^64  bytes of data.
> XChaCha20 has the nonce overlap with the packet position, and if the packet position overflows, increments the nonce, which is effectively equivalent no nonce, and instead a random starting position for each group of packets is effectively the nonce, all the starting positions having the same shared secret starting 256 high order bits, and different (but non secret) low order positions.
> Where is the security vulnerability?
> It is too easy to glibly claim security vulnerabilities, as we just saw with people claiming that Bitcoin's signatures were vulnerable to pollard rho.
> Such glib claims lead to pointless superstitions resulting in unnecessary and error prone complexity.

I wrote "forcing a key rotation after 2^26 packets for AES-GCM". Did not 
mention ChaCha20-Poly1035. Per 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-quic-tls/, this is only a 
requirement for AES-GCM, not ChaCha20-Poly1035. The draft says "For 
AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305, the confidentiality limit is greater than the 
number of possible packets (2^62) and so can be disregarded."

-- Christian Huitema

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