PlayStation 3 predicts next US president

James A. Donald jamesd at
Mon Dec 3 20:24:04 EST 2007

James A. Donald wrote:
>>  Not true.  Because they are notarizing a signature, not
>> a document, they  check my supporting identification,
>> but never read the document being signed.

William Allen Simpson wrote:
> This will be my last posting.  You have refused several requests to stick
> to the original topic at hand.
> Apparently, you have no actual experience with the legal system, or
> are from such a different legal jurisdiction that your scenario is
> somehow related to MD5 hashes of software and code distribution.
> Because human beings often try to skirt the rules, there's a long
> history of detailed notarization requirements.  How it works here:
> (1) You prepare the document(s).  They are in the form prescribed by law
> -- for example, Michigan Court Rule (MCR 2.114) "SIGNATURES OF ATTORNEYS
> (2) The clerk checks for the prescribed form and content.
> (3) You sign and date the document(s) before the notary (using a pen
> supplied by the notary, no disappearing ink allowed).
> (4) The notary signs and dates their record of your signature, optionally
> impressing the document(s) with an embossing stamp (making it physically
> difficult to erase).
> You have now attested to the content of the documents, and the notary has
> attested to your signature (not the veracity of the documents).  Note
> that we get both integrity and non-repudiation....
> The only acceptable computer parallel would require you to bring the
> documents to the notary, using a digital format supplied by the notary,

You mean *specified* by the notary - which would presumably be PDF or RTF.

> generate the digital signature on the notary's equipment, and then the
> notary indempotently certify your signature (on the same equipment).

And if the format is PDF or RDF, none of this will prevent the problem 
with MD5 - the problem being that a notarization of one document will 
also notarize as many other of my documents as I please.

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