<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Paul Wouters <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul@cypherpunks.ca" target="_blank">paul@cypherpunks.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Thu, 6 Sep 2018, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:<br>
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I would not describe IPSEC as a standard as it is difficult enough to get OpenVPN to talk to OpenVPN.<br>
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The perceived difficulty of IKE/IPsec is interesting, as it is mostly<br>
folklore.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">No folklore. Some people just have miserably low standards for documentation and usability.</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">A product is only as good as the first five how to guide that appear in a Google search for help.</div></div></div></div>