<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:48 AM, grarpamp <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:grarpamp@gmail.com" target="_blank">grarpamp@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><a href="mailto:jameson.lopp@gmail.com">jameson.lopp@gmail.com</a>:<br>
<span class="">> Second layer solutions such as Lightning Network do not require the<br>
</span>> introduction of trusted third parties:<br>
> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrr_zPmEiME" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=rrr_zPmEiME</a><br>
<span class="">> Last I recall, they had been implemented in the Elements Project:<br>
</span>> <a href="https://blockstream.com/technology/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blockstream.com/<wbr>technology/</a><br>
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Many say such proposals as LN can, are likely to, or will, devolve back into<br>
the old centralization / trust / economics problems that cryptocurrencies<br>
were born from Cypherpunk to solve, and to expect a continual process of<br>
proposing testing and discarding such elements that don't advance that solution.<br>
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How The Banks Bought Bitcoin - The Lightning Network<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=UYHFrf5ci_g</a><br>
Blockstream Turning Bitcoin Into Fiat?<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYBOqW9SDmE" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=rYBOqW9SDmE</a><br>
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The Biggest Scam In The History Of Mankind - Hidden Secrets of Money Part 4<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=iFDe5kUUyT0</a><br>
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Decentralised Truth: Use Beats Authority (Delegation Wrecks Fools)<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCVaabu3J04" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=XCVaabu3J04</a><br>
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<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/btc" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.reddit.com/r/btc</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div>See what happens when you spend too much time in the /r/btc echo chamber? You start believing their FUD videos about second layer networks creating banks or Blockstream running Bitcoin.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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