<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class="">And this is helpful to your typical - or even highly atypical - buyer of an iPhone - how?</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What if the British government makes iPhone-style encryption illegal like they seem to be suggesting they will?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">While I entirely agree with what you're saying, anyone who buys a third party hardware device entirely trusts the manufacturer has not included backdoors.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am suggesting a model where there is a separation of responsibilities between providers in the various stack which is resistant against both legislation and actual backdoors.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote>If you think *any* technological model is resistant to legislation, you're kidding yourself. Sure, for small groups of individuals communicating among themselves with privately developed hardware and code - sure. (Though they'll probably screw up the OpSec anyway. It's really, really hard to get the right, consistently, every time, forever.)</div><div><br class=""></div><div>But for stuff actually being sold? Legislation may not prevent you from building this it, but it sure will prevent you from gaining much of a market, or making any money. (Well, I suppose you can go the same route as drug dealers. But secure phones aren't as addictive as the stuff they sell, so what you can make that way seems rather limited.)</div><div><div> -- Jerry</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></body></html>