<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:11 PM, John Ioannidis <<a href="mailto:ji@tla.org">ji@tla.org</a>> wrote:<br><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">[I got this through cryptography@, so I'm removing the rest]<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:30 AM, John Young <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jya@pipeline.com" target="_blank">jya@pipeline.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto;"><a href="https://medium.com/@NafeezAhmed/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e" target="_blank">https://medium.com/@<u></u>NafeezAhmed/how-the-cia-made-<u></u>google-e836451a959e</a><br>
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Fascinating research, with gobs of suspects besides TLAs, Brin and Page,<br>
some here now, some here back then, as suspected then and now. Not<br>
that there is anything wrong with suspecting cpunks was made similarly.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Lots of tin-foil-hattery in there.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Indeed. The form of the argument is "all these people involved with DoD and NSA were involved with giving money to the project Sergey Brin was working on - obviously they were controlling Google". Let's get real: ARPA and other defense organizations were throwing money at pretty much everything that had to do with computers back in those days. No surprise - the military and spy agencies saw how important this would be to them. You can't find any American researcher - or any researcher who ever trained in the US or worked with an American co-worker - who you couldn't tar with similar accusations. You'd have similar trouble finding any American (or </div><div><br></div><div>They approached Jeffrey Ullman - whose name was on the grants, and whose student Brin was - and, I'm sure, spun all kinds of accusations. He basically told them to fuck off - which of course is just further proof that he's in on the conspiracy.</div><div><br></div><div>And I love the pictures that show one person standing next to another somewhere at some time. See - they obviously work together.</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> If there is one thing Google takes seriously, it's protecting their users' data against everyone (everyone outside Google, that is), often at great expense. </div></div></div></div></blockquote>Well ... if you Want To Believe (cue X-Files music), Google works to keep the information available to itself *and its military/spy overlords* - it keeps *everyone else* out. </div><div><div> -- Jerry</div><div><br></div></div></body></html>