<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><br><div><div>Op 20 jun. 2014, om 18:34 heeft ianG <<a href="mailto:iang@iang.org">iang@iang.org</a>> het volgende geschreven:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">On 20/06/2014 15:30 pm, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br>Op 20 jun. 2014, om 15:11 heeft Ben Laurie <<a href="mailto:ben@links.org">ben@links.org</a>> het volgende geschreven:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On 20 June 2014 14:00, Jerry Leichter <<a href="mailto:leichter@lrw.com">leichter@lrw.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">He never quite says "yes" but he clearly thinks it.<br></blockquote><br>I think it, too. I did the beginning of the first implementation for<br>OpenSSL, and I hated it then. For example, they made me remove the<br>inclusion of the PID in the random pool (which prevents duplicate<br>randomness after a fork).<br></blockquote>Arguably it got worse and slower. <br><br>And yes, It is very easy to rally behind this type of sentiment; the stupidity; the inefficiency of good design processes done by committee and the meagre output of their output; especially given the immense volume and quality of individual inputs.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>If there ever was a competition for a crap one with substandard governance - FIPS would do well in that race!<br><br>However I’d caution agains going too far and de-facto/industry wise killing it by voting with our feet.<br><br>Without FIPS (or a similar standard), no matter how low or bad, we loose ‚aim’.<br></blockquote><br><br>I disagree with your pessimism. The common factor for FIPS, Mont Blanc<br>and Dutch dykes-with-roofs is this: government.<br><br>And the whole politician effect.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Actually - while I used a government example; to illustrate the politics - it was the large (commercial) customers I was mostly thinking off. In my experience government situations are somewhat more isolated form this as they toe specific rules and regulations; which are not as easily changed or ignored. And the politics there is much the same.<br><br></div><div>Dw.</div><br></body></html>